my status: ICPU= 70% COURSEWORK, 30% final exam. coursework includes: assignments, quizzes, attendance, participation in class and class tests carried out throughout the program. no more playtime.on Sunday
the discussion that ensued:
Nik Siti Hajar Nabilah: better than ausmat and IB dowh kam...:D
Mat Kamil Awang: Just like american program
Kamilah Kamil: hajar: why? ausmat payah ke? IB tu memanglah. ada thesis, fieldwork semua tu kan.kena belajar BM lagi.
Muhammad Thaqif: ausmat 50:50.adil.haha.
Kamilah Kamil: ohohh..gitu.kena pandai balance. tapi final exam ICPU pun kena score 80+. so lepas ni kena ubah sikap daripada SBP, no more tidur dalam kelas, no more buat kerja last minute..astagha
Mat Kamil Awang: Make sure you secure maximum marks for coursework then the final will be less stressfull. Normally the course will have 1 or 2 exams which can carry 20% + 20%, final carries 30%. Assignment can be between 15-20%, quizzes qbout 5-10%. Attendance & participation normally free 5% marks. But most of the time attendance and participation do not carry any marks.
Hairul Azman: almost the same la dgn kt UTP.but the difference is in UTP,the marks 4 coursework is 60% n final test is 40%.
Mr.Mat Kamil Awang:be careful dgn attendance because in UTP,attendance is very important.students with attendance less than 90% in any subject will be barred from taking final exam.Who knows maybe taylor pun implement the same thing.So kam,jangan ponteng kelas.haha
Mat Kamil Awang: Malaysian system is a hybrid between US system and UK system. American system, it is up to you to attend or not the class. In one of the class, digital electronics design, I only went to class 3 times. First day of class to know how the class to be graded, mid term exam, and final exam. I submitted my assigments and papers thru my classmates. I got A for that class.
Hairul Azman: oo...I see.So you're saying that UTP uses other system and not Malaysian system??
Mat Kamil Awang: Malaysian system is hybrid system. There is some flexibility similar to US but not as flexible as US. There is some rigidity similar to UK but not as rigid as in UK. For example, in UK final exam can carry 70-60% of the total grade. But in US system it is a continuous evaluation where the final exam can be as low as 20%. The rest of the marks can ... See Morecome from other types of evaluation. In Malaysia, in order to reduce the number of students not attending class, even attendance is considered for giving marks. In Malaysia, students are reluctant to participate in class therefore participation is given marks. In US the system is so flexible that an undergraduate can even the PhD level courses. You can even have double majors, minor etc.
Mat Kamil Awang: Eventhough I am one of the external examiners for UTP department of electrical engineering for final year projects, I do not know in detail about the marking system. What I wrote is the general situation in Malaysia higher learning institution.
Nik Siti Hajar Nabilah: kam = takif da jwab tuu 50-50..
hairul = it's a good thing UTP uses that kind of system kn.. xde lar dalam kelas tinggal 2,3 kerat je..:D
Hairul Azman: oo.Just a bit different.Malaysian student mmg macam 2.I understand about the system butyou lost me at double majors,minors.what do you mean by double majors,minor?
Mat Kamil Awang: One of the reason why Kamilah is interested in US education is due to its flexibility. She can do a double major such as in Biomedical Engineering and Computer Science and minor in Math for example. Or even a double degrees within 4 years of study. This cannot be done in Malaysia or UK. In Canada it is still possible to do double major.
Mat Kamil Awang: Double major means that on top of you main major you take additional course to get another major. Let takes my case, to graduate with bachelor of science in electrical engineering i needed 132 credits. In order to have a second major in mathematics I needed to take additional 16 credits in mathematics so I got Mathematics as my second major. My ... See Morefirst major was electrical engineering. For my minor in economics, i took 12 credits of economics classes to qualify for that. I did this without any aditional credits since in US system in order o graduate you need have minimum of 6 credits of humanities or social science subjects and another 12 in either one. So I took 6 credits of japanese for humanities and 12 credits of economics. I graduated with 150 credits instead of 132 credits in 4 years.
Hairul Azman: So that's what you mean dgn minor and major 2.ok2.why this cannot be done in Malaysia??In UTP,we can take 1 major and more than 1 minor,depends on our capability.For example,I'm currently doing mechanical engineering.In the final year,maybe I'l take engineering design as my major and I can take minor in BIS or maybe ICT.That's what they told me about this.
Mat Kamil Awang: The definition of major is different. In US, if your degree is BSc in Mechanical Engineering, then your major is Mechanical Engineering, your specialization/option/concentration can be Aerospace Engineering, Internal Combustion Engine, Biomedical, Environmental, HVAC Systems, or Sustainable Engineering. The specialization is done by taking a group ... See Moreof course related to the area of concentration. So it is still under major of "mechanical engineering". In US a double major means you take another major for example outside of Mechanical Engineering such as Computer Science, Mathematics. In US what you term os major is actually a concentration/option/specialization.
In my case, my BSc in Electrical Engineering, so major was Electrical Engineering, my option was Communication (I put communication but actual fact I took all the course offered under signal processing but signal processing was not an option at the time). But my second major was in Mathematics. Minor Economics.
For BSc in Electrical Engineering at my university now they have 3 options:
BSEE (Electrical option), BSEE (Audio option), BSEE (Wireless option)
Double degree program now is BSEE with BScBiomedical Engineering.
Double major can be BSEE electrical & Math or Computer Science
Minor can be with any areas.
Hairul Azman: hmm......now I understand.In Malaysia particularly UTP,we can take only one major and minors.But in us,they can take more than 1 major and minors.Am I correct??that's the difference??
Mat Kamil Awang: If you want to know more about the differences between US system and UTP system, go and talk to Prof. Abd Rashid Abd Aziz at Mechanical Engineering Department. Tell him I kirim salam.
Hairul Azman: haha.Insyaallah I will.thanks for the explaination.haha.mungkin berguna nanti.
Mat Kamil Awang: Hairul > if you are planning to do double major or minor, better start planning now. go an talk to Prof. Rashid. He is a friend of mine. We are studying together in Miami, he was doing ME and I was doing EE. He continued until Phd there but i left after my masters.
Kamilah Kamil: papa: how did you decide on what course you wanted to take for the double major(the other major) and minor?
in terms of credit hours, how is the double major different from double degree? mesti double degree kena put in more effort than double major kan. ada some time ago, my senior, kak zahra nak buat double degree for economics and apa entah satu lagi, in australia.she said better buat double degree.
Mat Kamil Awang: how to decide on dobule major?
1. depends on what combination is allowed by the university
2. your interest
3. which combination can be done with least effort
4. how can the combination strengthen your degree for example electrical & math, electrical & computer science. industrial engineering & business. ... See More
In certain univerisities you cannot do double major from 2 different colleges for example electrical and math since electrical from college/school of engineering and math from college/school or art&science.
double degree requires you satisfy requirements for both degrees and normally the degrees are from 2 different schools/colleges. You will receive 2 scrolls for double degrees whereas for double majors you only receive 1 scroll. Normally you have to declare earlier that you are taking double degrees. double degrees in US requires 5 years of studies.
okay, from here we know that in Malaysia, there has yet to offer doble degree options, the Malaysian system is not that flexible, but is less rigid compared to UK.
US system is so flexible you can do a double degree, or double major. For you to take it up, it entirely depends on what the university offers and your interest.
surely, there is so much to learn! so much more hardwork. well, all part of mentally preparing myself for this.
so now, off for more research on undergraduate courses options.
for Biomedical Engineering, I was thinking of specializing in medical imaging. well, let's see how I prove myself, of what I am capable of, then.